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Feb 3, 2021

What are you doing to overcome unconscious bias? In this first episode of Season 3, Torin Ellis, diversity strategist, author, and co-host of the Crazy and The King podcast, joins Jeff to discuss what you can do in the short and long term to address and defeat unconscious bias.

Yes, more and more companies are implementing training to help boost diversity and inclusion in the workplace, but according to Torin, training isn’t nearly enough.

Training, while important, shouldn’t take the place of real action—like having difficult conversations or actually holding yourself, employees, and leaders accountable for their contributions to diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging (DEIB).

Overcoming unconscious bias is a constant journey

Knowing the unconscious bias definition can only do so much. “People and organizations lean on the academic definition as a way to be like, ‘We’re part of the good crew. We care.’ No. You don’t care enough,” says Torin. “Addressing unconscious bias is just the start.”

For him, overcoming unconscious bias is a constant journey, “I hold everyone responsible for being a better human.” Whether your company is a global enterprise, a five-person startup, or a one-person shop, in this episode, Torin challenges you to take the necessary steps to “wrestle with what it means to be human.”

Listen to the full conversation for more of Torin’s views on how to lift the “curtain of complacency and mediocrity” and be a part of meaningful change when it comes to supporting DEIB in the workplace.

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Episode correction:

At the ~11:53 min mark of the episode, Torin states that the Democratic Party hasn’t had a Black woman lead a committee in 40-something years. After the interview, Torin shared with us that he misquoted from an interview Congresswoman Brenda Lawrence conducted on #RolandMartinUnfiltered. In the interview, Congresswoman Lawrence states there hasn’t been a Black female in a Democratic Caucus leadership position in over 40 years. You can view that interview here:


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